Blogging Tories Challenge: Persichilli vs. Pearson – Whom Do You Believe?

One of the nice things about blogs, as opposed to Twitter, is that blogging gives you a lot more room to express yourself. Which is one of the reasons why I like Liberal MP Glen Pearson’s blogging; more space to express yourself means less likelihood to get into trouble.

And it’s fairly possible that Mr. Pearson may be in trouble, from this Toronto Star column by Angelo Persichilli. Here’s the relevant passage:

Glen Pearson, an MP from London and one of those present for the nightcap with Rae, said that in his opinion Ignatieff was losing the loyalty of the party and Rae was “the only one the party trusts.” Carolyn Bennett, also present at the meeting, said that David McGuinty, Justin Trudeau and others are already planning their leadership runs and it was time for Rae to do something.

Then the conversation shifted to some concrete proposals. In particular, they told Rae that many MPs believe he should become “the deputy leader with authority to manage all the files in the House of Commons,” basically a kind of CEO. They also said that Ignatieff shouldn’t be asking questions in the House but travelling throughout Canada “attending functions.”

Some also said that Ralph Goodale should be removed from his House responsibilities because, they said, he brings no added value to the party, no expertise, no financial wherewithal and doesn’t deliver seats in his own province.

Rae also was critical of the performance of the leader but said he was not interested in a coup d’état. However, he added that his loyalty is solely to the Liberal party.

Ruby Dhalla said that loyalty is a two-way street and accused the party of not doing enough to nurture the next generation of leaders. During the conversation, it was suggested that a group of MPs should meet with chief of staff Peter Donolo and present some of these proposals as soon as possible.

Okay. Glen Pearson now sees the Persichilli column, and is compelled to respond. An excerpt:

Partway through the discussion, Mr. Rae did appear in the lounge but had no idea we were there. It was me that waved to him to see if he wanted to join us. About 15 minutes after that, Ms. Dhalla walked in and she was welcomed to join us as well. Talk of Sudan ended as we spoke of some of the speeches and persons present at the Grafstein dinner. As always on such occasions, things got around to politics. Angelo Persichilli claims in his piece that I stated Mr. Ignatieff was losing the trust of the party. This is profoundly untrue. I did comment that he maintained the loyalty of caucus but that Mr. Rae was a trusted performer in the House. I also stated that with Mr. Ignatieff traveling the country more, it would be good to see Bob take on more responsibility for helping us as the official opposition to hold the government to account in the House, especially during Question Period.

Where Mr. Persichilli got the idea that a discussion was held to seek the removal of Mr. Goodale from his responsibility in the House I have no idea. Not once – nada – was this discussed. In fact, we think we’ve done better in the House lately and that Ralph Goodale has been an important part of elevating that performance. And for Persichilli to claim that it wasn’t an isolated meeting is totally unfounded. It was isolated and the only planning was between Ms. Bennett and myself re: Sudan.

Now comes the question: whom do you believe?

First, you owe it to yourselves to look at Mr. Pearson’s blog as a whole. One thing that becomes obvious is that his level of partisanship is nowhere near the level of a Warren Kinsella, and he’s also fairly candid about the failings of decorum in Parliament. Add the fact that he’s a working MP, and that lends his blogging an air of authenticity that’s matched only by Monte Solberg as an MP. OTOH, you can’t deny that it’s in Mr. Pearson’s best interest that Mr. Persichilli gets his details wrong. About the only thing this posting establishes is that Mr. Persichilli didn’t get the details from Mr. Pearson — but that doesn’t automatically negate the details.

Next, we need to consider Mr. Persichilli. He’s a regular contributor to the Star, the Hill Times, and Corriere Canadese (an Italian-language newspaper covering Canadian news). You might call him the Star’s token Conservative, given that he’s generally been complimentary towards the Harper Government and highly critical of the Liberals, though his tone when describing the latter is “more in sorrow than in anger.” OTOH, as with most journalists covering the Hill, he has sources that he trusts, and he wouldn’t write a piece critical of the Liberals (and Michael Ignatieff in particular) unless he had something substantive to hang it on.

So we know from Mr. Persichilli’s column that an informal meeting did in fact take place, and Mr. Rae was at one point present; Mr. Pearson’s blogpost confirms that. But there is no indication that Mr. Persichilli himself was present at, or within earshot, of said meeting; so we’re forced to assume that his details are most likely from second-hand sources.

Complicating all of this is that this was, by all accounts, a private function happening two or three days before publication of Mr. Persichilli’s column. Because it was a private, unwind-with-wine small social gathering, we wouldn’t expect anyone to be taking notes for actioning. In other words, it’s not the type of event that Mr. Pearson could — nor should — be expected to remember in detail, because he had no reason to believe that the press would be around to report on it.

So: on one side, a conservative-minded pundit, thoroughly understood to be a professional, reporting a conversation that dovetails with the meme of “Iggy in trouble” which is newsworthy because it names names, but apparently relies on secondhand information about an event that was never meant for public consumption. On the other side, a moderate Liberal MP who was named as being part of the conversation, remembers some details but denies others, but has the motivation of not wanting to cause further trouble for his party leader. In short: a classic “he said / he said” situation.

I put it to you folks. Whom do you believe?

8 Responses to “Blogging Tories Challenge: Persichilli vs. Pearson – Whom Do You Believe?”

  1. Murdoch Says:

    I read your posting after mentioning Pearson’s denial in the comments to Persichilli’s article. My comments didn’t make it past the moderator. That makes me believe Pearson a little bit more: why suppress the question?

  2. WTF Says:

    One thing that you have to understand about Glen Pearson is that he is a very good man. A former fire fighter and head of the food bank he is not a politician. There has been though a sense of him becoming more political as time goes on. In the past he has had some very honest blog postings where he said things that a politician would never have said and he had to ‘modify’ his position later or at least it seemed that way to me. During the last election (I think it was the last election, could be the one before) he ran against Megan Walker of the NDP and things got a little nasty. The backroom people were doing a lot of slagging and you could tell that Glen was not happy with that and if I recall correctly he stepped in and put a stop to it. This post of his about the “meeting” does have the sense of skating around a bit to it. Angelo P has a track record that can be judged back over years. When it comes to writing about behind the scenes politics I ‘trust’ him more than any other pundent out there. That being said, my first sentence of this comment still stands but……

  3. Robert McClelland Says:

    You’re missing an important detail. Persilli thinks there’s the possibility that Ignatieff will either resign or be shown the door before he’s tested in an election. This is simply ludicrous and places the entire column in the realm of fantasy.

  4. Blame Crash Says:

    Let’s see?
    A politician versus a journalist.
    Hmmm….what’s that saying about not interrupting your opponents when they’re busy thumping each other out. :)
    I’m going to go with that old tried and true answer of “none of the above”.

  5. Thucydides Says:

    Frankly, politicians will say or do anything to keep their positions. You can see the masterpiece in Mr Ignatieff declaring the coalition would have been devided Canadians…after the coalition he signed to join was roundly rejected by Canadians and he replaced Mr Dion.

    Mr Pearson’s past performance is like mutual fund ads; past performance only predicts past performance. He runs as a Liberal and is immersed in the culture and attitudes of the LPC. If he is upset at the current leadership’s performance and worried about the ever diminishing chances of seizing the treasury and dispensing favours to his partisans he is not alone. Indeed if he wasn’t concerned about the disintigration of the Liberal party and his electoral future I would be very surprised.

    Since the Liberal elites to date have only shown interest in selecting a new “Dear Leader” over substantive debate over policy and issues, then how is it surprising that Mr Pearson would not have an opinion on who that “Dear Leader” should be? To be caught out in public when the current “Dear Leader” still has the ability to offer punishment and rewards ensures public backtracking, denial and professions of loyalty, which is what we are seeing.

  6. wilson Says:

    ‘…the possibility that Ignatieff will either resign or be shown the door before he’s tested in an election…’

    Fantasy?
    Working hard behind the scenes is Chretien, Rae, Powercorp, and who is Donolo loyal too?
    This is the LPC, a year ago they, every Liberal MP, signed on the dotted line to put Dippers in cabinet, 10 days later, Dion and the agreement were burned…..anything is possible.

  7. Robert McClelland Says:

    Yes, Wilson, it’s fantasy. The leaders of the major federal parties don’t quit or get shown the door before being tested in an election. Such a thing would be unprecedented. But don’t let reality stand in the way of slurping up Persilli’s wisdumb.

  8. Canadiansense Says:

    If the Liberals apologists don’t like the truth they can avert their eyes. I trust the information to be reliable even if it is unpleasant.

    Perhaps if Angelo has redacted a couple of sentences and complained about the government and defended the detainees the apologists might be interested?

    The Liberals have a track record of intercine. The letter to John Turner, JC turfed out by Paul Martin camp, Dion by MI camp, now Bob Rae’s camp will not go down quietly into the night.

    Are the statements hyberpole or sour grapes? Are the statements credible?

    LGR vote, HST, late night meetings of MP’s trying to save their own skin.